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Do you need to get yourself out of agency operations so you can work ON the agency rather than in it? Are you stuck in processes and fulfillment when you should be looking at growth? It might be time to hire for the role of COO to ensure your agency's success. A Chief Operating Officer plays a pivotal role in an agency's development, significantly reducing the CEO's operational burden. However, timing is crucial – agencies should carefully consider their growth stage before initiating the search for a COO, and thoroughly understand the position's complexities to ensure an ideal match.

Our featured guest brings a unique perspective to this discussion. Having served as both COO and now CEO at her current agency, she offers valuable insights into the essential qualities needed for the role. Her experience illuminates the delicate balance required between the visionary (CEO) and the executor (COO), demonstrating how this partnership can drive optimal agency outcomes.

Brittany Filori is the CEO of 51Blocks and several other white label agencies serving agency owners and entrepreneurs. She discusses the crucial role of a Chief Operating Officer (COO) in agency management and shares her unique journey from starting at the bottom to becoming a CEO, providing valuable insights into the relationship dynamics between CEOs and COOs.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

• Do you need a COO or an Ops Manager?

• The most important roles of a great COO.

• The crucial CEO-COO dynamic.

• Preventing COO burnout.

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Should You Hire an Operations Manager or a COO?

The decision to hire a Chief Operating Officer (COO) marks a critical turning point in an agency's growth journey. Brittany recalls transiting to a COO role once her agency was big enough to need department managers. Of course, this can vary from business to business but for her it comes down to whether the owner was ready to hand off the keys of the business’ growth, and whether they needed a second hand to get the agency to the next level.

Unlike an Operations Manager, whose role is managing the team, the COO is often seen as the backbone of an organization, responsible for ensuring day-to-day operations align with broader strategic goals. According to Brittany, bringing in a COO could be the best or worst decision you make, depending on who you put in that seat.

It’s certainly a tricky role to hire and Brittany urges agency owners to clearly define their needs. Are you seeking someone to manage personnel, or do you need a strategic thinker to drive business growth and operational excellence? These fundamental questions can mean the difference between a successful hire and a costly misstep.

Strategic Operations Staffing for Growing Agencies

For growing agencies not yet ready for a COO, an operations manager can provide crucial support by taking on team management responsibilities. Given the high-stress nature of operations and its potential for burnout, finding the right person requires careful consideration of both management skills and operational expertise.

Agencies usually pay a pretty penny for someone who comes in with that talent. However, for smaller agencies that don’t have the budget for an Operations Manager just yet, Brittany recommends training the best account manager to start to fit into that role.

A great Ops Manager should be a great leader with attention to detail and the ability to see the big picture. This internal promotion strategy provides a cost-effective path to filling a critical role while also creating growth opportunities that can boost team morale and retention.

3 Most Important Roles of an Amazing COO

A COO serves as the backbone of an organization, balancing multiple critical responsibilities that directly impact both the company's success and its culture. Here are three key attributes that define an exceptional COO:

1. Comprehensive knowledge of the agency. A great COO must understand how each department functions independently and how they interconnect to support one another. This understanding extends beyond internal operations to encompass the client perspective, as every strategic decision must account for both team capabilities and customer experience.

2. Strong financial intelligence is crucial for effective operations management. COOs must constantly evaluate agency profitability, assess resource allocation, analyze client contribution margins, and monitor employee costs. For example, an experienced COO like Brittany learns to view every decision through both a financial and customer-centric lens. Whereas earlier in their careers, they might have focused primarily on client satisfaction without fully considering the financial impact on the agency.

3. Leadership excellence stands as a fundamental yet often overlooked requirement. Many mistakenly believe that a COO's role revolves solely around numbers and processes. However, the position demands someone who can effectively guide and inspire teams toward organizational goals. Strong communication skills and leadership abilities are not optional extras but prerequisites for success in this role.

The Dynamic Between the CEOs & COOs

The relationship between CEO and COO is more nuanced than many realize, according to Brittany. At its core, it's a partnership between a visionary and an integrator, where the greatest challenge lies in maintaining distinct roles despite overlapping talents. Rather than seeking a mirror image of themselves, CEOs should look for COOs who complement their strengths—even if that means partnering with someone who seems like their opposite.

With these inherent differences, CEOs and COOs must learn to manage conflict, which instead of being avoided, should be embraced as a necessary element of collaboration that can serve as a mechanism for clarity. In her case, Brittany and her COO find the most constructive way to navigate conflict is to stick to facts and remove emotion. You want a COO who will complement you while also challenging you to think differently about issues to obtain the best possible results.

In an effective CEO-COO relationship, the foundation is trust and communication, anchored by shared core values and commitment to the organization's mission.

Brittany’s advice to CEOs is to let your COO fail. If you don’t fully agree with how they’re planning to execute something give them a shot to try it their way. If they fail, your job as CEO is to help pick them back up, not criticize them, because otherwise they won’t feel confident bringing forward innovative ideas in the future.

Preventing COO Burnout: Building a Sustainable Leadership Structure

As Brittany highlights, finding the right COO is just the beginning; ensuring their longevity within the organization is equally vital.

The COO often bears the brunt of operational stress, alleviating burdens from the CEO and other leadership roles. Therefore, it is crucial for agency owners to actively support their COOs by ensuring they have all the tools they need to execute efficiently and feel supported. Implementing structured platforms for dialogue, such as regular check-ins and performance reviews, can facilitate healthy discussions about workload, expectations, and career aspirations. This not only helps in managing stress levels but also reinforces a sense of partnership and collaboration between the COO and the rest of the leadership team.

COOs can get overwhelmed and stressed too. Finding one that matches your organization well is already hard enough so once you do, make sure you can find a way to retain them.

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Is artificial intelligence revolutionizing business operations or threatening the carefully crafted storytelling techniques developed over decades? As many businesses struggle with integrating AI while maintaining authentic connections, today's featured guest offers valuable insights from his perspective as both an agency leader and AI advocate as well as someone who can see some of the fatigue caused by the ever-growing demand for constant information that has been aided by AI and the availability to create content faster and efficiently. He shares the ways he is integrating AI technology into his own agency, and why he believes it won’t work when it comes to replacing the human touch. Learn about his vision for AI use in business, the trends he sees changing in consumer preferences in social media, and how agencies can adapt to AI.

Marc Beckman is the co-founder and CEO of DMA United, a New York City agency specializing in style and design, with a broad reach into fashion, art, music, sports, and entertainment. He shares the pros and cons of building great relationships with company CMOs, his agency’s challenges improving at self-promotion, and how he sees AI has affecting the very human art of storytelling.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

• Building a reputation that attracts big brands.

• The double-edged sword of CMO relationships.

• AI integration done right; the framework agencies need.

• Did AI kill storytelling? 

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Building a Reputation That Attracts Big Brands

Over thirty years ago, Marc, then the owner of a cosmetic company, met a branding specialist who had carved out his niche in the luxury sector. Their initial collaboration proved so successful that when Christian Dior acquired Marc's cosmetic company, the two of them saw an opportunity to create something bigger together and joined forces as DMA United.

According to Marc, their agency's approach has never been about self-promotion or chasing after marquee clients for the sake of reputation. Instead, Marc and his partner built their reputation on letting the work speak for itself. By focusing on the work rather than the accolades, DMA United has built a reputation that attracts clients organically, including industry giants like Sony Music, Warner Brothers Entertainment, and Pepsi.

Pros and Cons of Getting in Bed with a CMO

Starting with their first big clients, Kerastase (a L'Oreal subsidiary), Marc’s agency was able to move to working with other big names thanks in part to the relationships they built with CMOs. As CMOs move from one company to another, they often bring their trusted agency partners, creating a network of opportunities based on proven performance. Some of these CMOs have worked with his agency for their entire careers from big brand to big brand.

This dynamic also presents challenges. When a CMO leaves, the new leadership may seek to reinvent their brand strategy, often leading to the loss of established partnerships. Marc acknowledges this double-edged sword but suggests agencies can mitigate this risk by diversifying their offerings. By expanding their skill set beyond traditional marketing and into emerging technologies like blockchain, Web3, and artificial intelligence, his agency has created a unique value proposition that makes it harder for people to let go of them.

AI Integration Done Right: A Strategic Framework for Agency Innovation

As a proponent and an author on AI integration in agency operations, Marc has developed a nuanced approach to incorporating artificial intelligence into his agency's work, focusing primarily on two areas: data analysis and content creation.

In the fashion and lifestyle sectors where Marc's agency operates, traditional data analysis often poses significant challenges. Executive teams typically struggle with multiple data sets and time-consuming reporting processes, making swift market responses difficult. AI technology addresses this pain point by enabling real-time data analysis, allowing executives to make informed decisions instantly. CEOs and CMOs can now evaluate marketing campaign performance across platforms immediately and adjust budget allocations dynamically for optimal results.

However, Marc's enthusiasm for AI comes with careful consideration of its limitations, particularly in creative work. While AI excels at generating quick visual content and creating operational efficiencies, his agency maintains a balanced approach. The technology's current state, still in its infancy, serves best as a complementary tool rather than a replacement for human creativity. The core of effective storytelling and branding, Marc argues, remains rooted in human insight and emotional intelligence.

Overall, his vision isn't about surrendering creativity to algorithms but rather about leveraging AI's strengths while preserving the irreplaceable human element in creative work and that, rather than a threat, businesses should focus on harnessing its potential to enhance their operations and drive innovation. Therefore, the future of creativity lies not in the replacement of human input but in the collaboration between human ingenuity and AI capabilities.

Did AI Kill Storytelling?

While artificial intelligence excels at producing high-volume, short-form content for our attention-starved digital landscape, he questions whether this marks the end of meaningful storytelling or perhaps signals an impending shift in consumer preferences.

The current media environment, saturated with brief clips and advertisements, has created a paradox: content is more abundant than ever, yet authentic engagement seems increasingly rare. Although AI helps meet the demand for constant content production, its output often lacks the emotional resonance and nuanced understanding that human creators naturally bring to their work.

There are growing signs of content fatigue among audiences which suggests a potential revival of long-form storytelling that weaves narratives that consumers can relate to. Brands can certainly benefit from this return to long-form that allows them to become educators and storytellers, providing insights that empower consumers in their decision-making processes.

AI can still be a center component in the creation of this longer content, of course, Marc just emphasizes it’ll always need human overseeing to give it the relatability that will really engage people and keep them coming back.

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Are you leveraging public speaking to grow your brand? Have you considered expanding your reach by having team members represent your company at events or interviews? Today’s featured guest has transformed public speaking from a marketing tactic into a primary source of new business leads. In just three years, he went from getting most of his business from webinars to getting most of his leads from his speaking engagements.

In this episode, learn the common fears that keep agency owners from speaking at more events, the type of speaker you should be to attract more business, and why you should consider building a team willing to share their expertise and promote your agency at events or interviews.

Dale Bertrand is the founder of Fire & Spark, a Boston-based SEO agency with a team of 25. He shares his journey from being a software developer to diving into the world of digital marketing. He also shares about transforming his love for public speaking into a key agency tool to promote his business and getting new leads. With a busy schedule of 30 conferences annually, he shares how he built his speaking career and what lies ahead to keep the momentum going.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

• Where to start in public speaking.

• Should you give away your secrets? Why the “giver” speaker sees results.

• Converting speaking engagements into business growth.

• The benefits of sharing the spotlight.

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How Public Speaking Transformed an Agency

Frustrated with his previous career as a software developer, Dale sought to learn more about digital marketing. Already dabbling in website development and affiliate marketing in his spare time, Dale found the digital marketing field appealing enough to leave his coding career behind. This transition led him to consulting and eventually founding his own agency, which has grown into a seven-figure business.

Until 2023, most new business came through webinars and strategic partnerships. However, an unexpected shift occurred as speaking engagements began generating the majority of his leads. This transformation was particularly notable by 2024, when conference appearances became his primary source of new business.

Before the pandemic, Dale had only attended a few small events, enough to discover his passion for public speaking. Once restrictions lifted, came his big opportunity. Many conferences were now looking for speakers, as many dropped out due to the reduced audiences. Dale took the chance, said yes to everything, and started a new unexpected stage in his career where he now travels most weeks doing something he really enjoys.

How to Easily Gain Confidence as a Speaker

Understandably, many people fear getting on stage as an expert, especially if they’re not very familiar with the subject. When Dale first started making taking the stage at these events, he spoke about his own case studies. It was a subject he knew well and felt comfortable talking about. This helped when it came to gaining confidence as a speaker and was something audiences loved because it was like pulling back the curtain on his processes and what he does.

For Dale, this is the ideal place to start, because instead of a dry informational speech you’re providing insights and tips based on something you actually worked on and are passionate about.

How to Prepare for a Speaking Event:

You should never just show up to an event without previously researching and preparing for the subject you’ll be covering. Dale has a comprehensive "event playbook"—a detailed spreadsheet outlining thirty specific preparation tasks for each speaking engagement. This tool outlines key strategies and actions tailored to the specific conference, which includes researching other speakers, understanding the audience demographics, and identifying potential opportunities for networking.

Understanding his audience allows him to craft targeted content that resonates with attendees, while additional initiatives like hosting dinner events create valuable opportunities for deeper connections in a more relaxed setting.

While the process itself isn't complicated, Dale clarifies this is not a process he completes on his own. He has three people on his team who help him execute this playbook starting from the planning and execution to following up with attendees afterword.

Why Being a Giver Delivers the Best Results

In public speaking, you may encounter two types of speakers, the givers and the takers. The takers often approach speaking engagements with a transactional mindset, focusing on what they can extract from the audience—be it attention, leads, or sales—without offering substantial value in return. In contrast, givers prioritize the audience's needs and interests, sharing insights and methodologies generously.

Dale firmly believes it’s better to be a giver and often ends up sharing more than he had intended to. As a representative for an SEO agency, he advocates for a strategy of sharing even the most intricate details of their methodology, dubbed "SEO for Revenue."

By openly discussing their framework and providing actionable insights, Dale empowers his audience to understand the complexities of SEO while simultaneously positioning himself as a credible expert. Some people may think he’s sharing too much, but most of the time what happens is that half the people try execute his recommendations and the other half decide they don’t have the time to do it themselves and contract his services.

This tactic not only builds confidence in the speaker's capabilities but also encourages potential clients to seek their assistance when they realize the challenges involved in executing such strategies independently.

Converting Speaking Engagements into Business Growth

Speaking at events can be an excellent way to grow your business by getting yourself in front of your audience and establish your expertise. However, it can also be quite expensive. In his case, Dale doesn’t pay to get a spot in these events. Half of the time he gets paid to speak and the other half he pays for his airfare and hotel.

As long as it nets out to zero, he’s willing to attend as many conferences as he gets invited to. Speaking engagements offer not only a platform to share knowledge but also a unique opportunity to build credibility and foster connections that can lead to significant business growth, in addition to the visibility it can offer, as one speaking engagement can serve as a stepping stone to further opportunities.

Pro Tip: Include a Call to Action

To ensure you’ll get the most of your time on stage and go home with new leads, Dale recommends adding a call to action that can get some audience members to send you their contact information. He makes sure to include a slide in the middle of his presentation with a QR code for anyone who wants to download the slides. This way, they fill out a form offering him a way to follow up after a few days. This call to action can vary depending on the topic of discussion. For instance, it may be a piece of content pertaining to the topic discussed or slides with prompts he mentioned during the presentation.

In the case of smaller groups, like a webinar, he already has their contact information and focuses on getting people to sign up for a strategy session.

The Benefits of Sharing the Spotlight with Your Team

With a few years of public speaking under your belt, you may start to recognize the importance of being selective with the events you attend to throughout the year. You may not want to travel as much and consider not attending the smaller events. In these cases, Dale encourages a team member to participate in speaking engagements as a strategic way to amplify his agency’s presence.

As he sees it, nowadays  everyone can be an influencer in their own right and can contribute to the brand's visibility. This is something he’ll consider for future hires with a view to cultivate a team of individuals willing to share their insights and expertise to attract clients and enhance credibility. By fostering a culture that encourages and supports public speaking, businesses can cultivate a diverse array of voices that contribute to their growth and visibility.

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Have you dedicated time to ensure the health of your email list? If you've built a 15,000-person email list for your business—that's a huge accomplishment! But what if that list isn't performing? If your open rates are as low, that number becomes meaningless. It's not about the quantity of subscribers, but the quality of your engagement. Moreover, if you’re not consistently delivering valuable content that keeps you top-of-mind as a problem-solver, then you're not maximizing the potential of your list.

Today's featured guest shares his insights on effective email marketing strategies, including optimal content delivery frequency, list maintenance best practices, and how his agency has evolved over the past decade. Drawing from his experience, he advocates for email marketing as a reliable channel that doesn't depend on unpredictable social media algorithms. He believes many companies are overlooking a gold mine by fixating on new client acquisition while neglecting their existing client base.

Reade Milner is the co-owner of Rogue Pine, a digital marketing agency focused on the middle of the funnel and email marketing. Reade shares his journey into the world of digital marketing and discusses why many agencies are actually sitting on a gold mine when they’re searching for new clients. Reade also shares how often you should be sending value content to your lists, and more.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

• Why most agencies are sitting on a gold mine.

• How to build a newsletter people will actually want to read.

• Why 40% is the new 20% in open rates.

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How Real-World Experience Shaped a Marketing Career

Reade’s digital marketing journey began as a high school student, when he worked at a family business and was tasked with figuring out how to build a digital strategy to attract customers online. Looking back, he doesn’t know how serious they were in trusting such a young person with an important component of their business. However, Reade took it very seriously since it seemed like a smart thing to learn.

The abilities he gained from that experience and then starting and crashing his own business in college helped him continue down the path of marketing and content, working at an agency right after college. According to Reade, going through college taught him nothing about digital marketing or the skills he would continue to develop to succeed in that industry. Instead, it was the Hubspot certifications he completed during his time at that agency what helped him learn the marketing terminology he needed. At that time, he also started to take side projects, which led to eventually starting his own agency.

Why Most Marketing Agencies Are Sitting on a Gold Mine

Many businesses focus heavily on client acquisition while overlooking the valuable opportunity of growing their relationships with existing clients. These established relationships represent untapped potential for growth, as current clients already understand and trust your services, making them more likely to engage with additional offerings.

To remain relevant in these clients’ minds, Reade emphasizes the importance of consolidating client contacts from various sources—CRMs, spreadsheets, and databases—into a comprehensive email list and establishing consistent, meaningful communication through targeted content creation.

What is stopping most people from grabbing this low-hanging fruit? Many fear that emailing clients too often leads to them unsubscribing from their list. However, the risk of being irrelevant to them is far worse and gets you nowhere. Remember, if you don’t ask, the answer will always be no.

Regular engagement will ensure customers are aware of your continued growth and ability to address their evolving business challenges. Moreover, satisfied clients often become brand advocates, providing referrals and testimonials that can be invaluable for attracting new business.

3 Key Sections to Build Newsletters People Actually Want to Read

When it comes to client communications, Reade believes there’s no such thing as too long, just too boring. If the information you offer is useful to people, they won’t mind skimming through it to get to the most important aspects. If it’s useless, however, they’ll ignore it even if it’s just a paragraph.

If you’re just getting started with a newsletter or are trying to establish consistency in your content, Reade recommends having three sections:

1. Original section, where you’re leading with value by offering an original piece of content.

2. Curated section with recommendations of social media posts, articles, or videos you recommend.

3. Highlight section, where you can highlight case studies or products or services you offer.

It’s enough to keep people informed about your services and milestones while not being too overwhelming.

Reade also dives into the effectiveness of subject lines and why it lies not in its consistency but in its ability to pique curiosity and draw the reader in. While establishing a recognizable brand can be valuable, he believes in the need for experimentation to generate curiosity. So instead of leading with your company name (ie: The XYZ Newsletter #45) try to create curiosity by leading with a particular piece of information that may be very useful for your audience.

Furthermore, testing various subject lines—from intriguing questions to bold statements—can yield insights into what resonates most with the audience. The goal is to spark interest and drive opens, which ultimately leads to deeper engagement with the content itself.

Why 40% is the New Standard for Email Open Rates

For Reade, 40% is the new 20% in terms of the goal for open rates. Aiming for a 40% open rate might be more appropriate nowadays considering the changes in email platforms and clients that often auto-open emails for security purposes, which can artificially inflate open rates. This is why he recommends recalibrating expectations and focusing on achieving higher engagement metrics that reflect the true interest of your audience.

In addition to content quality, list management plays a crucial role in optimizing your email engagement. For Reade, it’s worth it to prune your email list to remove subscribers who are no longer interested in your content and thus refine your audience. This improves engagement rates and ensures you communications are reaching individuals genuinely interested in you offerings. It’s essential for maintaining a healthy email list that drives meaningful interactions.

Interestingly, Reade places less emphasis on clickthrough rates compared to open rates. He recommends embedding complete content within emails rather than relying on external links. While low clickthrough rates aren't necessarily concerning when paired with healthy open rates, they can signal an opportunity to optimize content strategy. This might involve refining newsletter language and call-to-action elements to better guide readers toward desired interactions, especially when specific clickthrough targets exist.

The Power of Direct: Why You Shouldn’t Overlook the Impact of Email

While email marketing might not be considered the most glamorous marketing channel—some even see it as outdated—the data tells a different story. People are forty times more likely to make a purchase after receiving an email from a company than after seeing a social media post.

This highlights the power of direct communication. Email marketing allows businesses to connect with their audience personally, fostering engagement and driving sales in a way that social media often can't. Unlike the ever-shifting algorithms of social media platforms, email provides a stable, owned channel for nurturing leads and ensuring consistent outreach to an audience that has already expressed interest in the brand.

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Do you face a lot of skepticism from clients who have been disappointed by agencies before? How do you go about gaining their trust? After seven years running his agency, today’s featured guest still lists that mistrust as one of his primary challenges and talks about his strategic approach to overcoming this hurdle: combining client education with precise problem identification to deliver time-saving solutions that truly impact their businesses. This approach not only helps rebuild trust damaged by previous agency experiences but also positions marketing as a genuine catalyst for business growth.

Join us as we explore how agencies can move beyond surface-level marketing solutions to become trusted partners in their clients' success stories.

James Loomstein is the managing partner of Rogue Marketing, a digital agency based in Dallas that serves mostly mid-market B2B companies across various sectors. They are business builders committed to solving client problems, whether it's entering a new market, seeking acquisition, or launching new products. James reflects on his journey into the marketing world and the biggest challenges he faced while building his agency.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

• Rebuilding trust and overcoming skepticism.

• The secret to agency longevity.

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A Winding Path into the Digital Agency Industry

James began his career journey in the early 2000s with a clear goal: to work in marketing. Initially starting in consulting, he found the path to marketing restricted, with an MBA in marketing and strategy as one of the few avenues available. During his studies, he noticed his classmates worked at companies like Kimberly Clarke and American Airlines, which have them a significant advantage and positioned them for immediate brand management roles upon graduation.

James realized early on that the way into the agency world was to start his own agency. However, he still needed the experience so he interned at a big company and after graduation he started to work at Omnicom as a business analyst. Over the years, he worked at different companies and startups.

During the economic downturn of 2008, frustrated with job instability and slow career advancement, James established Digital Space. Over the next four years, he refined his business model, carefully selecting clients and defining his service scope. Eventually, he ended up working for the company where he met his future partner Chip.

Once both he and Chip resigned two years later, their collaboration seemed natural. Chip's agency, Rogue, and James's Digital Space frequently worked together, leading to their official merger in 2016. This partnership marked the beginning of a successful joint venture that continues to thrive.

Rebuilding Client Trust and Overcoming Skepticism

Seven years post-merger, James identifies two major challenges they’ve faced in their growth journey. First, he's learned that accepting unsuitable projects benefits only the client or hired freelancer, never the agency. While difficult to implement, this selective approach has become crucial to maintaining the agency's integrity and fostering meaningful client relationships.

Second, he’s had to face the challenge of the damaged reputation agencies sometimes have among mid-market companies. Having been disappointed by previous agency experiences, these clients often approach marketing services with skepticism. James frequently finds himself rehabilitating the industry's image while diving deeper to uncover the true nature of clients' challenges. Often, what is labeled as a "marketing problem" may actually stem from underlying issues within a company's operational framework. Agencies must strive to understand the specific challenges their clients face and tailor their strategies accordingly. It is the way to create tangible value and measurable results for their clients.

James attributes these agency failures to the low barriers to entry the marketing industry where anyone can claim expertise in marketing with minimal experience. He strongly advocates for aspiring agency owners to gain corporate or agency experience before launching their ventures, arguing that understanding business fundamentals is crucial for success with mid-market clients. Without this foundation, agencies risk failing both themselves and their clients.

The Secret to Agency Longevity

For James, new agencies should start by mastering a specific, well-defined service that delivers clear value to clients. What is something you can take off their plate? What is an area with a specific outcome to achieve? It might start with something very small but if you do it well you’ll not only solve a problem, you’ll also build trust, have a story to tell, and find a way to move forward.

Additionally, don’t just look to solve the client’s problem. Ask yourself whether or not you’re saving them time. If you’re solving problems but clients are constantly telling you what to do, then you’re replaceable. People will always trade time for convenience so it’s to your advantage to do what you can to take the pressure off the client.

For emerging agency owners, James outlines three essential steps:

1. define your target audience

2. identify their core problem

3. establish clear performance metrics.

If potential clients can't articulate their success metrics, they're likely not an ideal fit. Clear expectations and accountability from the start build the foundation for lasting partnerships.

This focus on measurable results has led James' agency to move away from traditional retainer models, which often lead to diminishing client satisfaction over time. Instead, his agency has adopted a performance-based approach that emphasizes consistent value delivery throughout the relationship. This results-oriented strategy helps prevent client churn by maintaining clear accountability and demonstrating ongoing value.

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